I always wondered how game developers came up with the term frag instead of kills for FPS multiplayer games. How did it all come up? Anyone know? Is it some odd combination of the words "frying fags"? or what?


Well my guess would be that it is short for the word "fragment" or "fragmentary". Seeing how if you kill somebody with enough power they bust into pieces. Now if someone can explain the origin of the term "gib" View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I suspect the name originated with "Chicken Hunter", the long-lost predecessor to Deer Hunter. When you start the game, the hero says "Gotta go get me some gibs."


The posts on the origin of "frag" are correct, it"s an old word - short for "fragmentation" - that morphed in later years into a euphemism for killing someone.Why do FPS"s all use it? Because that"s how it was in Doom 1.0, that"s why.

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quote:It"s a Vietnam War military expression. To shoot your commander in the back. Close. It is the term used anytime friendly fire is responsible for killing a comrade-in-arms.quote:The question is... why did DooM use it? Obvious: you are deathmatching other marines. Every kill you make is killing a comrade-in-arms. Thus, everything is a frag. View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


quote:Could be because "kills" is too violent a word. They censor wierd things.Yea, right. Who are "they" and when did they start censoring the word "kill"? That one certainly slipped by me. No, game designers use the word "frag" in FPS games because it"s the popular terminology amoung gamers. You can find the word kill in plenty of other games. What word they use has nothing to do with censorization.


Perhaps not at the outset, but certainly after the cries of "Doom=kids killing kids" or whatever, there would have been a definate move away from actually "Killing" things in life like situations (um, doom, lifelike? nevermind. . . you get what I mean?)it"d be cool if the bodies from a game kept piling up . . . er. . .well, at least for one game. ed


I"m not sure I"d like to eat shit out of anywhere, include out of a guy"s brains. View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


quote:I"m not sure I"d like to eat shit out of anywhere, include out of a guy"s brains.So you"ve never fragged a shit for brains camper hey? View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif cheers


It may also be just what has stuck since doom. Why change what works??On another note, why do ppl get so pissed at campers?? When hl introduced the "zooming one hit wonder crossbow" it opened up the camping invite. Cs has further cemented this with the "zooming one hit wonder awm". You can"t complain, it"s been invited.sword_9mm


I don"t like it when people get mad at others for camping in Counter-Strike. As far as I have seen, camping is an intrigal part of playing the game in certain situations. If you get killed by "campers" on a certain map then its time to try a different strategy, i.e. attack a different way, work with teammates, do some camping of your own... do anything but complain about it.


The only time when camping is lame is when the ATTACKING team camps for the whole duration of the map. If the defensive team rushes, though, then dammit they gave them the right to camp. But campathons are stupid.


Probably the biggest thing I dislike about CS is all the people who complain about camping and whatnot. True story, one day I joined a random server where everyone was bitching about all the campers on the other team. After getting sick of listening to people bitch for 10 minutes I joined a different game, same map, where someone was complaining about how the opposing side kept rushing. View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Oh, and CoolJets is just saying that because he know it pisses me off when he proceeds to own me with an Artic after he gets fed up with me repeatedly killing him with a benelli. View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Thallium - quote:"I just bunny hugged that fuckin" camper."Ahahhah! That just made my day.Though a friend of mine insists saying "skullfucked" when he gets a head shot in CS. That one kinda irks me for some reason. View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I"ll admit, I do get pissed about the awm, not because of camping tho. You camp with an mp5, more power to ya, but the creators of cs thought it would be fun to put a gun with all encompassing killing power and no "real" downsides (lo rate of fire being 1). I think the scope when zoomed should pull a hitman and kinda move around. That would help to even that gun out. Another remedy is to actually make the guns as powerful as their real life counterparts. An ak is gonna maul you, as well as will an mp5 (you can"t survive 20 9mm"s bullets, sorry to break the news to you guys). Nuff" said. I"ll still play and get owned by the ars crowd (I do a little owning myself, just not enough).Sword_9mm


quote:What word they use has nothing to do with censorizationRiiight. And in Giants, the last-minute effort to change the blood from red to green, and covering up the Reaper"s breasts had nothing to do with censorization. After all, no one forced the company to do it.Please. Game companies censor their products in order to get favorable reviews, less bad press, and now, to get better box-ratings. It"s all about the bottom line here, folks.While a lot of FPS nowadays certainly borrow from the traditional term for "kill", ala Doom, I"m sure it"s been discussed in one gaming house or another that "kill" is bad.


Frag in DooM was a Lobo reference. I mean he frag"ed everything and that is basically what you do in DooM.


I"m pretty sure it relates to fragmentation grenades and the effect they have on a body at close range.As for gibs, I do believe one of the id software guys working on Quake 1 mentioned the body parts after exploding another character reminded him of giblets so the name stuck.What"s it called in AD&D when you inflict enough damage to totally explode an enemy (usually with a maximum critical hit)? I forget, but I"m pretty sure they have a word for it.


The term was in platoon for crying out loud. Somebody else mentioned it before, it means if you have to take out somebody on your side, usually somone of a higher rank.During DM, the Doom marines would kill each other so they were called "frags."


quote:Please. Game companies censor their products in order to get favorable reviews, less bad press, and now, to get better box-ratings. It"s all about the bottom line here, folks.And how would not using the word "kill" benefit the developer? I"m not saying some designers won"t censor their games, but not using the word "kill" makes little sence. A game is going to get bad press because of word choice? I"m sure developers put consideration of bad press into how much violence goes into their game, but not when choosing what word to describe kills. Using the term "frag," because it"s popular slang, makes a lot more sence. At least that"s the way I see it.


Besides UT uses the term "kills" and so do many other FPSs. In fact Quake is one of the few that uses "frags."


marc,Humans have a tendency to shy away or cover up the reality of what they do and say. Hence, to say that you "fragged" someone sounds much nicer, and not representative of the real-world meaning that we have for the term "killed".It seems to make it less "bad". To say that you "killed" someone, even in a game, sounds evil. "Fragging" someone (while still implying killing), doesn"t sound nearly as bad. Even though it is the same action.(Or so I think View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )That"s why we beep out or write words like "Fsck" instead of "Fuck". It makes it appear less harsh, even though we all know it means and represents exactly the same thing.


Oh, and I was under the impression that to "frag" someone came from the Vietnam War when soldiers would take out their commanding office/higher officials *with a grenade* because they couldn"t hack it, or because the leaders were jerks.Which is kind of in-line with what everyone else has already said View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .


quote:And how would not using the word "kill" benefit the developer?By having the populace (read: old women and disgruntled conservatives) not look down upon the game and cast it in a negative light.tomcatnat covers it pretty well, actually.


Thanks mate View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifOf course, Marc could be correct in that "frags" is a cool slang term, or that it is the most accurate term for shooting fellow marines (in Doom).However, I do think that censorship plays a large part in the adoption of "frags", "gibs", and any other word that can replace the term "kill".

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Easy...Go out the street.Say: "I got 400 kills last night!"Result: People look at you funny and cops pay "special attention" to you.Say: "I got 400 frags last night!"Result: People who don"t know what you are talking about will just ignore you. People who knows what you are talking about invites you to LAN parties with free pop.Now you see? View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


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